Frank Karlitschek founded the ownCloud open source project in 2010 and co-founded a company names ownCloud Inc. late 2011. After being the maintainer for over 6 years and CTO of ownCloud Inc. for over 4 years Frank decided to start over. Leave his own project and company to create a fork called Nextcloud. This talk will describe the reasons why ownCloud was founded as an open source project. The good and bad things when it was turned into a venture capital founded company, the thing that Frank and the core team do differently with Nextcloud and how the business model, licensing and community relations improved. This talk covers insights into different open source business models and how to create a working open source community and community.